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Chuck S
07-14-2009, 12:40 PM
On the Checkerboarding of public lands in the west, the land owners found a Federal judge to say it's illegal to cross corners to reach the hundreds of thousands of landlocked BLM land in the our states. The checkerboard pattern was adopted to allow the railroad to have land where they could cut wood for their steam engines. It runs ten miles or so back from any main line tracks that were in existence in the west during this area and remains to this day, largely intact. By crossing the corners on this checkerboard pattern you could access this "so-called, public" land. As it stand now the ranchers get to lease it at a tax payer, subsidized rate and yet keep those self same tax payers from getting any use of it. That's just one instance of the Slimy politics mentioned above. The BLM could inact rules that disallowed the rancher's lease options unless he agreed to public access. The BLM in concert with other Fed agencies could enact rules that would allow light aircraft drop hunts on land locked parcels but in all cases these land locked, checkerboard parcels and other land locked parcels in effect belong to the rancher!

Along with the checkerboard BLM fiasco there's another slimy bit of politics going on. This involves road closures of roads that head into USFS lands bordering private ranches. Especially where the ranch has leased to an outfitter. I started noticing this with the massive road closures caused by the so-called "environmentalists," during the Clinton administration. Seems as if roads toward the interior of the USFS land was being left open while roads headed out toward the bordering ranches were closed.

Another thought on road closures: While in a rare, very few instances, they are closed seasonally to protect calving areas, etc the majority are arbitrary with the usual excuses of, "roads are bad for wildlife," or, " we have budget problems," etc" Anyone who has visited several towns around the west, including the beautiful Air Force Academy realize that it's not roads doing the harm. Dozens of trophy deer mixed in with their large herd of Mulies are to be found all over that place and many others. So it troubles me when roads and no wildlife are equated. The same goes for Elk as far as some towns and parks go. With the graying of the USA comes a growing statistical percentage of infirmities that keep many of us from making the long pack trips, hikes, etc. Given a growing population and especially the aging one, it's sheer lunacy to concentrate all traffic and camping along select corridors in the forests as this causes overuse and may other problems. Open old roads, mind poor logging or any use practices and let folks enjoy the forests and wild lands.

As far as budget problems go, have you noticed that when they close a road, they often erect a gate, bulldoze a dam across it or use huge logs, moved by a front end loader to close the access? Want to bet they spend as much on these so-called closings as they
would have on doing a bit of maintenance and leaving them open.

Lastly, on the ranchers. I've found many to be considerate, fine folks and not all fall into the profit driven, politics playing ones that so often make the black list of hunters, campers, anglers and others. Same goes for some Outfitters and Guides. We must be careful to not lump the clean wash in with the filthy rags.

Good Hunting
Chuck S

Chuck S
07-14-2009, 12:46 PM
This post might go better in another forum here but not sure which one. If any moderator finds a better fit in another of the fine forums here, go for it!!! I selected Whitetail Deer since most everyone who hunts big game, hunts these wily creatures.

Many thanks to the moderator who was able to get my old nic name back for me. Now AltJaeger and myself can post in the same string without confusing the issues!!!
Thanks
Chuck S

Bushman
07-15-2009, 10:30 AM
Chuck, since you put this in the Whitetail Forum let me say that I have seen open and blocked public access from both sides. NE WI. is heavily logged for pulp wood and while it has a good population of deer, it also has logging roads that go everywhere. Early on I hunted that area growing up, but the deer at best were 2.5 year old 8 pointers. Later on with the proliferation of 3 and 4 wheelers there was no place for the deer to hide and the usual kill, if I even made one at all, was an 18 month old fork horn. As a guy who likes the challenge of hunting deer with more age on them I moved my hunting area first into the north central and then into the north west part of the state where the woods and the deer were bigger.

About that same time the state put restricted access on any motorized vehicles on state property. What used to be ATV trails now turned into walking trails. Sure it took a lot more effort getting back in there, but I found that I had the area pretty much to myself. The deer move in the daylight because no one is baiting them and they have the time to mature. Tuesday or Wednesday can be just as good as opening weekend if I don't mess up the area. If I can't find a good buck, I take home a doe for the meat. The last 5 bucks that I have taken out of there have a 9.6 point average and that speaks for the value of limited motorized access.

Out elk hunting in CO. we camped along a forest road in the West Elk Wilderness area. We horsed or walked back in from there and most years filled up. The guys that went off the road mostly did, but to see all the traffic up and down that forest road, you would think that elk were mounted on wheels. I talked to one guy who was road hunting and he said that he had not shot an elk in lots of years. That told me volumes about what not to be doing.

alan
07-16-2009, 08:07 AM
Blocking public land is "Situation normal" for newly purchased NY State lands in Adirondacks. The next step they take is to derclare the land "Wilderness" which means no motorized use. Not all land is declared "Wilderness", but the most powerful and loudest environmental groups always find a reason to keep all motorized use out. Personally I believe there is a secret agenda to create a habitat for wolf & mtn. lion introducion by some of those groups. Some time ago there was a study regarding wolf introduction and the concensus at that time was there was not enough continuous uninhabited and non-motorized land to support it. This is one reason why some environmental groups keep pushing for more state "Wilderness" land. I expect the wolf introduction issue will be back on the "Public" agenda soon.

LampLighter
07-29-2009, 03:32 PM
I'd get dropped off by helicopter just to piss off the surrounding land owner's. Hunt their border and kill the biggest trophy you find- the one Joe Blow the peanut farmer has been after.

Usually, land is never locked. Right-of-ways are always filed in the conveyance room at the courthouse.