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[ncboman]

Not sure I see the connection, but then again, I was just wondering if there weren't more charitable purposes at hand for that kind of cash, so maybe we're on the sam epage with that.

My wife and I were pondering about the guy's tithing. "more charitable purposes" are not the same thing.

Because at the end of the day, when we satisfy our own wants ahead of someone else's needs, we're hardly living up to the standard to which we've been Called. We all fail, of course - every damn day.

You and I are not on the same page at all.

I don't believe in socialism, which I've seen you espouse on the forums repeatedly. The Bible doesn't teach socialism either. If that's the Calling you hear, I think you might be careful what/who you're listening to.

I think we can all agree, the pics alone seem to make the guy appear 'excessive'. Whether he actually is or not, I don't know.

[ncboman]

I remember you using this argument before on archery. Invariably what it end in is a call to GFs higher standard. I think legal is the standard. Self-policing is just that, Twanger can police himself, you take care of your affairs and I will do the same for myself.

It could be argued that 'legal' isn't much of a standard, as a guy could be a game hog and still be legal.

[ncboman]

Interesting you bring morality into it.

God gave us dominion over the animals. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you - Genesis.

I think the moral high ground is established here, and the bar is not all that high.

if you eat what you kill, or feed someone with what you kill, then it's in accordance with God's Law. That's it.

Fair chase ethics related to sport hunting, and I don't consider myself a 'sport hunter.'

I take hunting far too seriously to lower it to a 'sport.' It's a life and death struggle between predator and prey.

I believe, morally, that we owe an animal a quick death that is as painless as possible.

That's where my hard-core morality stops, and I'm happy to let the law pick up right there.

I don't necessarily agree with all that but I can easily live with it.

[Altjaeger]

It could be argued that 'legal' isn't much of a standard, as a guy could be a game hog and still be legal.

I agree that he could be a game hog. I would even say this man is a game hog, but it is not mine to criticize if he is legal. What I am saying that the law is the standard by which we are called to act. Until then we are on quick sand in our criticism. If we truly believe it is out of line then we are called to rake action in supporting a change in laws, but not against an individual.

I will stick with that I would not be comfortable in his shoes. But he is free to do as he wishes within the confines on the law if it makes him happy. Whether he is Christian, Jew, Taoist, Moslem or any other religion has nothing to do with it any more than where he spends or gives his other funds. That stuff is just a distracting argument.

[ncboman]

Whether he is Christian, Jew, Taoist, Moslem or any other religion has nothing to do with it any more than where he spends or gives his other funds. That stuff is just a distracting argument.

That stuff is just comments made regarding the topic. I don't see it as a distracting argument any more than pondering who actually finds and scouts all the trophys or pondering how many of them are game farm vs fair chase.

[Alan R McDaniel Jr]

Without a doubt the guy likes to hunt. Without going through the page again and without knowing him, I will say that there is an off chance that he did not kill all of them, or any of them for that matter. He just built the display and is displaying the mounts. (truth is he probably killed them).

I suppose on a scale of good to bad, "legal" would be a minimum standard. However there are many, many legal means to take game animals and those legal means vary from state to state and country to country. There are really much fewer "illegal" means and methods to take game and much high talk is bantered about concerning what is "sporting", "fair", and a bunch of other "feel good" words.

I've seen deer, good bucks, that could hear me breathe while they were checking does at a feeder 200 yards away. Shooting them from an enclosed blind was an exercise in patience and absolute stealthy silence. One false move, one sound, would have sent them into the brush. On the other hand I have killed them at 10 feet rattling horns when they came around a bush and stood waiting to fight with those antlers I had dropped on the ground.

What is sporting, what is fair. There are those who deride the enclosed blind/feeder hunting as less than sporting and fair. I know better. The deer coming to horns didn't have a chance. It was murder, plain and simple, if you want to ascribe human characteristics and morals to killing an animal.

Did he eat the meat or cause it to be provided to eaten by someone? Well, what about the hides? Deer hide is valuable. Liver, kidneys, etc.. are all edible. If those got wasted was it immoral? It certainly was not illegal. Do we draw the morality line at food? If you get hungry enough, you'll eat that hide.

What I'll say about Mr. Barr is this. He evidently and obviously likes to hunt and display the trophies he acquires while engaging in that pursuit. He evidently spends a lot of time doing it since if you were to quantify the time it must have taken to kill all those animals and care for the capes properly. Just some quick math on the taxidermy alone is getting into the millions of $$$$ the building is 1/2 mil, the guns pictured are at least another 1/2 mil. Air fare to Africa, even if and especially IF you have your own jet, is another chunk of change.

What I'm getting at is that Mr. Barr is certainly doing his part to stimulate the economy and he's getting to do something he likes to do even if he is a bit obsessive about it. I suppose, if I had a few more million dollars than I have right now I would do some extravagant things too. I would divide my time between hunting and fishing though (and a few other things that bring a sparkle to an old man's eyes, like gardening).

But I know and you all know what it takes to shoot even one of those big bucks, and I'll leave it at that.

Alan

[ncboman]

If you get hungry enough, you'll eat that hide.

I like that.

[DaveHawk]

Doesn't look like he's been spending the rent money on taxidermy fees or hunting leases. If a guy has plenty of clams and wants to build an extravagant trophy room, then he should. I think I could have done a little better than the open barn concept, but I don't have the clams to do it so I shouldn't fret over it. What I find a little unsettling is that there is so much. How can one man do enough real hunting to amass those numbers ion a single lifetime. That's not just a bunch of does on the wall either, those are real deer and sheep, and elk, and bears, and lions, and, and, and,........



The guy must have been shooting on the run and that taxidermist has made a career out of one man's hunting..

Alan

All I can add is the man is passionate and blessed to be able to do what he has done and love what he has done. More power to him !!

Thanks NC for posting this.

[Craig]

Cabela's is looking for all their displays!

[Just a Hunter]

This topic had me scared for a moment.
I thought someone had broken into my trophy room and taken picture's while I was away